These tranny are really not the best, chrysler made tranny, mitsubishi engine. Two technologies morphed together with an inferior transmission to start with. I had success by adding external filter, telling my clients to come to complete stops, not let tranny slip on ice or other, use mopar kits ONLY, not the cheap ass kits found at parts supply joints. They only supply half the parts needed anyway, what do expect for half the price. Install a new torque convertor at every rebuild. Cuz half the junk that fried is in the torque convertor and no amount of flushing will get it out. As for actual rebuild, when I was working at the dealer, we had three guys doing these trannys full time in the shop. Aluminum bin was always full of tranny cases and parts. :ROFL They just plain suck and driving habits are the only way to go about prolonging them. Input shaft play is essential to be in specs, the thrush washers for planetary gears give out and these are main reasons these tranny go after the slipping causes due to solenoid pack delay and input/output sensor data transfer.
1) Use an external filter
2) use mopar kits ONLY
3) Install a new torque convertor at every rebuild.
4) Input shaft play is essential to be in specs,
5) Replace thrush washers for planetary gears
6) ?solenoid pack delay and input/output sensor data transfer.
Please answer as many of the questions below as possible.
I am modifying for durability and fuel efficiency.
1) external cooling? Heat is a problem but to cool is also not good. What is the limit?
What is the max size cooling coil to use?
2) Aren't Mopar kits OEM only? Some aftermarket kits have flame hardened parts, shift kits to reduce
clutch slip, valve body kits to prevent over/under pressure in the solenoid pack.
Is that not a good thing?
3) what about extra friction plates? Can they be added to the 1-3 and the 3-4 clutch packs?
If so, how many is possible? Are Kevlar plates a good option? Is there a better steel to use,
one with less tendency to warp?
4) what OEM hard parts should be replaced with thicker OR flame hardened or solid ones?
5) Torque converter, non-locking OR locking, lower stall, standard stall, higher stall?
6) The Solenoid pack was updated a couple of times after 1997, what year or "Solenoid pack model #" is
the best to replace it with?
7) The Valve body was updated a couple of times after 1997, what year or "Valve body model #" is
the best to replace it with?
As you seem to know quite a bit about the questions your asking, possibly even more than me, I will leave you to read this bit of info I found that can say what I want to say better than me. I don't want to sound like an a$$hole and as seeing I don't build racing trannys, I just deal in stock builds. I'll leave the research to you. The article included here by Mr Sandman Martinez is quite what your looking for, but not all the answers. Here it is,
A604/41TE Chrysler FWD 4-speed Automatic Transaxle Information
Many times, a transaxle that the dealer or transmission shop says is "not repairable" can be fixed with the simple steps outlined here. Don't give up hope just because a mechanic or two says your transaxle needs to be replaced. Many transaxle problems can be cured by changing the fluid and retraining the computer.
When you change your transmission fluid, always use the recommended fluid. For 1995-1999 models, it's ATF+3. For 2000 and newer models, it's ATF+4. Don't mix and match - the fluids don't play well together.
Don't just assume your mechanic or dealer knows what fluid to use - ask and make sure it's the right one. If they do not or cannot provide the correct fluid, then go somewhere else that does.
Several companies now sell "universal" fluids, often using a synthetic base, which they say will work with just about all vehicles. If they note that they are compatible with ATF+3 and +4 - and most do - they may work well, especially for those unsure of which fluid to use. Valvoline MaxLife appears to be a suitable alternative to factory ATF+3.
If you suspect that Dexron has been put into your A604/41TE, invest the $40 or so to have it replaced immediately Dextron is a "grabbier" fluid - the A604/41TE is designed to slip a bit during shifts - and ultimately it'll cause the transaxle to fail.
Ask your dealer about updated firmware for the transaxle control module (TCM) - changes are made from time to time that can eliminate or reduce problems such as "bump-shifts" or a shuddering torque converter. Some dealers are better at this that others - some may do it for free - others may charge for it. Call around.
Common failure points include the speed sensors - both input and output - and the solenoid packs. The solenoid packs can become clogged - especially if the wrong fluid is used. Failure of the speed sensors can trigger "limp mode" which causes the transmission to only use first and second as a very visible sign that something is wrong. You should be checking the computer for error codes at this point.
Information provided by Steve "SANDMAN" Martinez of Exile Racing Technologies ...
This should help you understand some of the problems and inner workings of this slushbox. We (ERT) have been testing them to see what they can actually handle and are still in the first stages of these tests. I'll do another writeup on that later. I don't want to get too in depth with this because frankly with would be a novel.
The A604 is the Achilles heel of these cars and everyone knows it. They break under stock conditions, and they break under moderate engine mods. In some cases they explode, and it has less to do with power and more to do with design. When properly built, the trans can handle a decent amount of power input, but it is important to keep up with maintenance and get the build done by a reputable shop. We'll outline some of the major problems in dealing with the A604 and the ways to counteract or alleviate those problems all together.
The first and most frequent killer of ANY transmission is heat. When you are putting power to the transmission, clutches create a ton of heat. This in turn breaks down the transmission fluid causing accelerated wear on the clutches, seals burn out, and you're in for a big bill. Transmission fluid generally starts to break down at about 240F degrees that is when the fluid starts to get thick and varnishes. This clogs and sticks in passages or clutches and prevents parts like the solenoid pack from doing a good job of shifting gears. At around 265F degrees or so, you get to the threshold of the seals. They can only take so much heat and at this temp they start to get rigid thus creating internal leaks. Internal leaks cause loss of line pressure, and when you have poor line pressure holding a gear is harder. The clutches aren't pressed to the steel plates hard enough and they wear faster; you'll notice your fluid turning brown or potentially black if it's severe. At 300F degrees your fluid is so bad; the clutches start to slip more often. This refuse can cause clogged filters, and clogged ports on the shift solenoid. Heat starts to build even more and once you hit 315F degrees your seals burn out, clutches are burned out, and you build up a nice concentration of carbon filled gritty fluid. How do you prevent this? You probably already know the answer to this, but it with an aftermarket inline cooler. The stock system has a cooler built into the radiator, but it is small and is highly inefficient. Most people pick up the popular line of B&M Super Coolers. They work great and you can run them in tandem with the stock cooler for even more efficiency. Truth is any 6-pass cooler will work, and do the job perfect. There is such a thing as TOO BIG when it comes to trans coolers though. If you run say a 10-pass cooler in tandem with a stock cooler and leave for work on a cold morning. You'll notice your car is holding second gear a lot longer than it usually does. This is the trans going through a warm up mode trying to get the fluid to optimum temps for operation. It's not bad for the trans per say, but it's annoying if you hit the gas and it sticks in gear and then pounds into third gear. The temps you want to stay around are 185-200 degrees, those are optimal temps for good life of the trans and better power transfer.
The second most frequent problem is the differential idler shaft. I myself have been victim to this little chunk of hatred, and it almost cost me a car. The idler shaft is a round chunk of metal a little over inches in thickness. This shaft sits inside the idler gears which in turn rotate the spider gears in the differential. This shaft is held in by a pin which from the factory is pressed in, and then the surrounding differential carrier material is pinched over it to attempt a lock on the pin. The shaft itself does exactly as it says and remains idle holding the gears in alignment in the carrier. There are many ways for this part to fail, a lot has to do with oiling and leads us back to the cooling. The shaft sits static, while the spider gears turn the idler gears which rest on this shaft. The speed as you can imagine is high and if no oiling is poor the heat builds and those gears weld themselves to this shaft. This causes catastrophic failure and generally leads to the shaft snapping and going through the case of the transmission. Heat is probably a part of nearly all the failures in the transmission. Doing one wheel burnouts in parking lots causes' heat and also forces the gears and shaft into an uneven balance. When you are spinning that one wheel, the gears can come out of their alignment and start to bend and grind on that shaft. This creates shrapnel and in turn goes parading through your trans clogging and cutting seals as it goes. If this doesn't kill the differential, the retaining pin will. This little piece of metal is responsible for hold that shaft from going out of carrier, and from rotating with the idler shaft. If this pin were to come out, you guessed it. If the shaft seizes on the idler gears, it will tear that pin off and then the party begins. How do you fix ALL of this? There is no bulletproof way to do it in the A604. Companies like Quaife or Kaaz manufacture differentials that are nearly indestructible and if they do blow they'll replace it. I myself have never seen one fail, so if you have that available in your model trans I envy you. Now, for us poor A604 owners with no Quaife option, there are a few alternatives.
* You can have the retaining pin welded into the carrier, this is OK, but it won't solve most of your problems.
* You can have the idler shaft straps installed on the carrier to keep the pin from damaging the case when it comes flying out. These little things hold the pin from the outside.
* You can install a limited slip differential. I don't really promote or like versions like the Phantom Grip limited slip. These use metal to metal contact to evenly distribute power (or attempt to) to both wheels. They claim to be torque sensitive and put power evenly under acceleration or cornering. I'm not sure how a spring and metal block can sense a biased torque condition, but hey, I'm no genius either. If that doesn't deter you, think about what metal to metal contact does... The other alternative to the Phantom Grip is to install a clutch-style limited slip. These use clutch material instead of metal plates to lock the gears into an even output. Instead of springs, they use a series of washers and shims to properly set the tension on the gears so you can set for your power needs. With a unit like this, all parts of the differential are modified to promote oiling of the gears and the shaft and items like the retaining pin are upgraded to stronger materials.
Now we get into the internal parts of the transmission, the guts. Say your trans is going or you plan on putting some decent power through there and want to be safe. Time to rebuild with some beefy parts you say, but don't know where to start or what to look for. I'll lay out the parts I look for in a performance build, and also explain why I chose these parts.
* Raybestos Carbon Kevlar Clutch Kit: These are a much better alternative than the stock asbestos material inside your transmission from the factory. Kevlar lasts longer, grabs better, and both of those lead to great power transfer and longer life of the trans. You can get these at just about ANY rebuilder, the 604 is a very common rebuild trans, so places like Cotmans, Amco, or Bob's Local Trans store should have plenty in stock. These usually come with everything you need for a rebuild if the trans hasn't had any hard part damage to the planetary gears or other parts.
* New Steels: Steel plates are what sit between your clutches in the clutch hubs. This is what the clutch locks up against and these take a beating. Most rebuilders will mic the plates for flatness, heat marks, or check for them to be out of round. If you are spending the money to have it torn apart anyways, spend the money for the new plates and save yourself the trouble.
* Front Pump Modification: This isn't needed, but if you are putting some decent power down you need all the line pressure the computer will let you have. Most rebuilders know enough to modify the front pump to raise the pressure. Too much pressure though and you'll experience shifting problems and your trans will go into limp mode. Most rebuilders in the know will understand what you are asking for, for most of them it is a standard practice even on stock transmissions.
* Shift Improvement Kit: This isn't going to be like the shift kits you see for the TH350's or the like. The TCM prevents any insanely high pressure from damaging the trans, therefore you aren't going to get tire chirping shifts. This basically shortens the shift times between gears and also raises pressure enough to get the clutches to grab harder and faster. This prevents wear on the clutches and also makes acceleration a lot quicker. If you can't feel when you are shifting into gear, you have problems and your clutches are riding together too long before grabbing. BAAAAAAAAAD. With the shift kit, opt for the aluminum accumulator pistons for the valve body. Stock is ABS plastic and with heat and time they can crack.
* Upgraded Solenoid Pack: If you have ever listened to your car when you stop, or shifted into gear you've heard it. CLIK CLIK CLIK CLIK! The fast sound is you shift pack routing fluid to parts of the transmission for gear selection. In late 2003 a new pack was released that is nearly silent even with the sound shield off. In fact, these are designed to run without this cover.
* High Stall Torque Converter: Torque converters transfer and convert the power from the engine into power to the trans via the input shaft. The stall of the converter is judged by how many RPM's are needed to build up the fluid pressure enough to make the converter transfer power to the transmission. Stock is around 1800-2000rpm. By raising the stall, you can brake torque the car and push the RPM closer to the engine's powerband. So, if you get a 2600 stall converter, you can now stall the converter until 2600RPM and get a better launch along with more acceleration. There are other internal mods they are offered in converters that increase the torque multiplication (example - 1lb of torque comes into the TC, 3lbs comes out to the transmission etc etc) Other parts include needle thrust bearings which decrease friction.
Now that you have your new trans, you have to take care of it. Maintaining a built trans is the same as maintaining your stock trans. Only use Mopar 7176 trans fluid or approved ATF+3. You can switch to +4, but the cost is higher and finding +4 anywhere but a dealer is a chore. (Cars built in 2000 and newer use ATF+4 direct from the factory.) Change your filter every 30-40K and make sure to get the correct year and model for your car. I use the dealer for this because the OEM replacement works best. While you are there ask for Mopar Anti-Foam. This little bottle gets poured into your transmission and prevents foaming of the fluid. Bubbles compress and you have bad line pressure; this eliminates bubbles. Caring for your transmission takes only a few minutes each time and saves you money in the long run. If you take care of it, it'll take care of you.
Borg warner makes the solenoid pack only one I know about, the new ones you remove the plate and then the cover is not used over the pack. Also many people weld the diff pin so it will on come out and crack the case. Use an extra oil cooler for sure is alway good idea. I think I used raybestos clutches before they seemed to work fine. These transmission are very problematic overall. Sometimes a bad trans is a bad trans no matter what parts you use and how you modify it. However, I had a caravan with 245,000 and only replace the solenoid pack. So maybe you will get lucky, but for every 1 or these trans that hits 200,000 miles there is 4 that blew before 100,000 miles and 10 before 200,000 miles. Also the input and output speed sensors are always going out on these trans. I alway thought that is trans was make for a smaller car like a spirit then chysler put them in grand caravans which weigh almost twice and much and over works the transmission. However I have no fact to base this on just my thinking that the trans seem to be too small or under powered (or maybe just bad design).
Hi, new person here, joined up to throw a little more 41TE wisdom in here to add to @nickb2 's admirable acumen...another weak spot in the 41TE lies in the valve body: the older the trannies get, the more prone they are to suddenly clunking into 2nd gear Fail-Safe with a Check Engine Light. You'll end up pulling a Code P1776, which is "Solenoid Switch Valve Stuck in Low/Reverse Position".
The Solenoid Switch Valve is a mechanical, non-electric, non-mechanically-linked, spring-loaded valve in the valve body which helps modulate shifts between 1st/Reverse and the upper Drive ranges. It's just a long, skinny piston valve backed up by a spring. This valve can wear its bore enough to hang it up in its bore and trigger a P1776. In November of 2020, right before I got the COVID, I was driving my trusty Grand V-ger home after visiting the grandkids, alone; I went ahead on the green light, got through, the van went from 1 to 2 and then 3...then abruptly kicked back down to 2 with a Check Engine Light 3 seconds later. "Fail-Safe"...great. My heart sank. Here we go...got it home with due care, listening for scraping noises or the like...nothing. Just locked into 2nd. I dreaded throwing away an otherwise rock-solid minivan with a fresh rebuilt engine, but I threw the OBD scanner on: it showed the P1776 so I went inside and did the brainwork...the 41TE trannies can have this issue many years down the road, it was said, and a person could do one of two things:
remove the valve body, take it in, have the shop use a Sonnax kit to ream the bore & install a new, oversize Solenoid Switch Valve, or;
get a good, used valve body, a rebuilt unit...or a new one.
More research...there are laser-cut numbers in a protruding tab on the sandwich plate which must be matched to the old one, plus when lowering the valve body there are two 1-inch diameter pistons which must be carefully held in with fingers between the valve body & trans body, to be removed & kept clean & in order once the valve body's out. Easy enough. I found a reman'd valve body with the correct laser-cut number (66, in my instance...not "99"), got it, assured it was clean, put it up & held the pistons in with my fingertips as I raised the valve body up, pulled the fingers out, heard two gentle clicks, put the valve body full-up, torqued screws to spec. Then, a new filter, install pan, add fluid and take 'er out: flawless.
This was done 4 months after I installed a new, "ratchet"-proof solenoid pack & sensors update on the tranny front. The tranny's guts are still good: zero slipping in the clutch packs, no hang-shifting or such...everything's good in it.
Thought this could help anyone down the road with the same issue. Just for the fun of it: the 41TE's aren't necessarily junk...they just have their weak spots, much like many other trannies, such as the 4L60E/4L80E and the like. Thanks!
Greetings! I realize the thread is in a quasi-archived state and all, thought it might help for another anonymous surfer's future reference. Just sitting here, waiting for the US Mail to bring me my Chebolay-style click-in, barbed transmission cooler fittings so my Grand V-ger's tranny can keep cool, calm and collected as I gently tow 900 lbs. worth of trailer & personal belongings from Boise to Louisville soon.